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- Emissions Testing in Ohio
- Why doesn't Ohio require e-check for every county? : Ohio
It needs to be made better.. Environmental maintenance is not something we do once and forget about it, no more than you restore an old home once, and expect it to stay that way forever Pollutants of the past are always replaced with new ones, although maybe less visually dramatic. But we cannot afford to sit on our laurels just because we did something good 20 years ago and think the work is done.
In a consumer society, the work never ends, nor should the watch dogging on such issues, and instead be left in the trust of companies who tell us they will do right by us. This has not worked, the river caught fire once for it.. The lists of incidents that happen when we get off their backs, is endless.
Ohio Emissions and Smog Check Requirements
So an inconsistent and bad test is better than no test? And further, Northeast Ohio's drivers should pay the price for the sins of the local manufacturing companies? Let's be honest here. Northeast Ohio's population isn't what it used to be, and I'd suspect that would mean less cars on the road. Additionally, the local economy has shifted quite a bit from dirty manufacturing to other sectors.
The air quality is definitely better than what it used to be. Point being, I think there are a lot of good reasons why this law could very easily be eliminated. And if not, at the very least, inconvenience the residents of all major urban areas in this state, not just Cleveland and Akron. Why eliminate it if the flaws can be repaired? It's not that big of a deal. I've done it for years. Hate seeing cars with totally borked exhaust systems driving around; don't want to see more of them.
Are there any impact studies we can see about the air quality in CC over the lifespan of e-check? I have to agree with EC; the notion that most individuals will do the environmentally-friendly, long-term thing without any coercion is ridiculous. This has been proven again and again throughout history, and E-Check is not bankrupting or unduly inconveniencing anyone. It would be better if we had unified federal standards that accomplished the same thing, but the EPA has been gutted and left a shell of its previous self.
If they won't do it, I'm fine with it being done on a local level, expenses and all.
And I wish someone would do a study on how much pollution is caused by people driving to E-Check and then hanging around in long lines with their cars idling. Its just more beurocratic red tape, money making deal for someone. There has always been pollution, we've proven we can clean it up, with it or without it, people are still living longer and longer lives.
Its not needed bacause a few idiots have bad exhaust systems. Frankly, we'd be better off with a statewide safety inspection rather than jamming something up people's tailpipes and running their cars to 6, rpm or more on a dyno. There are so many cars running around that aren't roadworthy due to bald tires, bad brakes and destroyed suspensions.
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Currently though, as long as they don't pollute to much they are OK according to the state. Emissions-wise, they should just check for catalytic converters, air pumps and smoke. Basically what West Virginia does. I had thought Ohio did away with this years ago. At least it did in the Cincy area.
What a hoax of a program! I think it's a county thing. The counties around Cincy require gas stations to sell gas that is cleaner, and then they can do away with e-check. The net result is similar. The inspection thing is a joke anyway, at least it was in New York. There were plenty of places that would pass any car if you slipped a couple extra twenties in with your payment.
I've been in Ohio 4 years but because I had a newer vehicle, this was the first year that my car was up for an E-Check.
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While I think it's good that we have a program in place, I couldn't help but think what an absurd waste of emissions the actually test is, and that the test really needs to target the vehicles that are prone to emissions problems. I drove 25 minutes to the nearest testing station on a very cold winter Saturday day. Of course being the weekend there were at least 40 cars in line waiting to be checked.
There are giant signs saying do not turn off car engine, and being nearly zero degrees outside, it's not like anyone would want to just turn off their car. So, I sat in line, my car idling for almost 40 minutes with the other 40 cars. They "check" my car, and 2 minutes later I drive 25 minutes back home. In essence that test for me, and for hundreds of thousands in Northeast Ohio creates a HUGE amount of unnecessary emissions each year.
I think they could almost push the age of the car limit to 6 or 7 years to reduce a lot of this unnecessary testing. It's the free market. And you're a part of it. Thanks, I knew I couldn't have been the only one that noticed that irony of the amount of emissions the test itself produces. I'm fine with replacing it with something more effective, or allowing the highway patrol to spot-check people who are belching thick exhaust. I admit I'm a bit of an extremist on the issue - I really don't want the 'few idiots' to get away with it.
Depending on how much administration costs, maybe it's not worth it, though. I never waited more than a few minutes for my tests, but if that's really the case that huge lines of cars are sitting there all day, well Like I said, unified national standards from the point of manufacture would be the best solution.
A year or two ago I was driving a car that belonged to my dad, who lives in Summit county an e-check county. I was in school at OSU in Columbus. I called to see if there was anything I could do to get out of the test since the car hadn't been in an e-check county in over a year, but the lady on the phone told me it was "my problem" that I lived an hour from the nearest location. I drove a fairly new car for 2 hours to show that it was environmentally friendly I'm all for taking care of the environment and I don't have a problem with paying more for stuff if it reflects the true cost to society, but there's just no way that e-Check is worth it.
We in Lake county have the Lake as our air conditioner, are in a snow belt which cleans the air 6 months out of the year, yet the EPA's monitoring station was downwind from the Lake East Hospital ensuring a failing grade. This was to once again to have expired in August of '15, not sure what happened to keep the program in place. Senator Teresa Fedor slipping a rider into one of her bleeding heart human interest bills perhaps?
I seen her on the PBS Ohio channel in action, she is great at this. A shame this was even bigger than Senator Grendell to fight off. I just don't get it at all. If you oppose this program, remember Teresa Fedor or Bill Harris if they are ever running for a statewide office. That's the long and short of a last-minute amendment sought by Gov. Ted Strickland and included in a handful of bills that state lawmakers passed Wednesday in a flurry before leaving for With the contract for the auto emissions testing program set to expire this year, Strickland's staff had been looking for a way to extend it.
They found it in House Bill 24, when Sen. We believe this is a health issue for northeast Ohio and an economic issue for the whole state. I remember when I was 18 and lived in Cincinnati, I just lied to the BMV and told them my home address is in Columbus I gave them a family member's address to evade e-check.
I can't believe I actually pulled it off. Why does Cleveland still have this but SW Ohio doesn't? Cincinnati always seems to be under smog warnings in the summer. Not that the test is really necessary any more, especially for new cars - all they do is plug their little computer into the car and download the emissions data. Wasn't the situation that the testing company had a long-term play or pay contract with the state and that's why the program has been kept in place and is now free since it is really needles As far as I know, it is a EPA mandate if an area of the country is not in compliance to have some program put in place to control greenhouse gases.
Why doesn't Ohio require e-check for every county? : Ohio
Ohio EPA chose to go for auto exhaust as the primary way to control emissions instead of going after coal-fired utilities, auto plants, or the steel industry that were the main cause. With all the shutdowns of plants throughout Northeast Ohio plus newer vehicles on the road with better exhaust systems and electric and hybrid cars, I would think we should be pretty close to being in the clear. We live in Akron. I took it last year to my local trusted repair place. They told me I needed a new catalytic converter I suspected this. They reset the "check engine" light. Next morning, the "check engine" light was still off.
I took it to the e-check station and it passed. Good for me. My friend has a meter that checks the codes much like Autozone will do and you can hit a button that "resets" your "check engine" light. He did it with his car last year, but the e-check people seemed to realize that he had done this. I don't think my test with my Camry roused suspicion, but I could be mis-remembering. My question is--will this pass if I reset the light with my friend's meter? I'll accept any answers. Reply With Quote. There is a certain length of time or distance driven, for which the computer that reads the code will say "Not Enough Data" and you probably won't be able to pass the test.
It is about 50 miles. Originally Posted by samclem. Originally Posted by Duckster. Dewey Finn. I thought it was going to be many hundreds of dollars. So it may not be that expensive to replace it, and if doing so means your emissions are lower, it might be worth it. Last edited by Dewey Finn; at PM. Originally Posted by Dewey Finn. An example helps: Pull up to a state-run inspection station in NJ and this sign greets you: You can have your vehicle inspected with the check engine light on, but you will not be given the emissions and diagnostic portion of the test Last edited by Philster; at AM.
Find all posts by jz Originally Posted by Rick. So if I am reading this correctly if you reset the light, and the system is not ready, they will tail pipe the car, and if it passes you are good to go. This is actually a gift. Here in California if the system is not ready, you have to come back. Guess here. The computer "knows" on a whether you install a "genuine Toyota part" or an aftermarket part.
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I'm gonna assume that in , the computer didn't notice the difference. Now it does. Talked to two mechanics. It "notices" these days. As an aside - The first time I saw a car with a Check Engine light about I wondered exactly what you were supposed to do when it comes on. Open the hood and say, "Yup, it's still there"? As has been said, the converter has no electronics. Furthermore if a car company did mount electronics into the converter say similar to what printer makers do with ink cartridges so that an aftermarket item would not work, the Feds would have their ass in court in a New York minute.
This is absolutely against federal law. But it would be illegal to prevent someone from making a replacement for your car. I think what happens is, if you install an aftermarket converter on a Camry, the check engine light will come back on and stay on. The computer, for whatever reason, senses it. Originally Posted by BrotherCadfael. Last edited by jz; at AM. I agree, the Chinese stuff are flooding the international market, the cheapest, good to look at but the worst and if not worst yeah, worth the price we spent.
So it's better to spend a lil more and get some good stuffs. Questionable situation. I would question that you reset the heck engine light then passed the test the next day. The cars computer is set so that you MUST put the car through it's paces run in each gear so many times, go faster than a certain speed and in general, do all the things that a car normally does.
This is usually done in about 50 miles or so. If you try to test it before its ready, the car computer says that it does not have enough data. If the check engine light stays off after that point, it is safe to drive without any fear of damage. As far as I know there is no law, not any need for one, to say you can't reset it. If you look at the units for sale, all of them have a reset button.
How could that be if it's against the law to rset it? Ask them to show you that or site the specific law. I suspect that their reason is that some people would be brng that same car in every day to see it the problem goes away it probably won't Gary T. Originally Posted by jz The only way the engine management would know that the converter's not genuine is if it doesn't work; e.
As has been said, the converter has no electronics Originally Posted by Magiver. As stated above, there would be a pre and post ox sensor in relation to the converter. The only thing a computer can do is respond to the input from the sensor. That is because the aftermarket item is a piece of shit, not because of anything Toyota did. While I have not looked I am sure you can find an aftermarket unit that does work, and won't light a CEL on this car.
Dallas Jones. Each monitor watches a separate part of the engine's system and uses a set of conditions called Enabling Criteria. Some monitors conditions only require that the engine is on, others require a number of cold starts, engine warming to operating temperature or driving conditions such as accelerating, cruising, etc.
These cycles are called 'trip drive cycles' and the amount of driving to satisfy the cycles for all the monitors will vary. When you clear the codes the PCM will read something like 'Monitor has not run'. This is how the testers know you have cleared the codes and your car is not ready for the emissions test. It is possible to clear the codes, go through enough cycles to get the PCM to read ready to test, but not go through enough cycles to reset a trouble code and light the engine light.
A 'sweet spot' where you can pass the test. But you probably are not going to be able to know when you have reached that spot. You may have just got lucky when you previously had codes cleared and passed the test. Most of the information above is from the manual for my handy little OBD II tester that stays in my glove compartment. I got it several years ago because the local gas station idiots kept not putting the gas cap on correctly causing an EVAP code and an engine light. No, I am not allowed to pump my own gas in Oregon. It has come in very handy for tracking down other engine issues too.
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I highly recommed getting one if you are the sort of person who ever opens the hood of your car, changes plugs, or does routine maintenance. Last edited by Dallas Jones; at PM.
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